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um

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it depends on what you mean by my

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when we first started doing this

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research back in the late 70s early 80s

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no one had heard about these things and

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we did we did a panel at the um

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1980 american numerical association and

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mike sabah the cardiologist was there

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and ken

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rang and a couple of others and we had a

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packed crowd it was they really wanted

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to hear about this

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but after we finished talking there was

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a lot of silence in the room

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and one person stood up and said i've

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been a cardiologist for 30 years

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i've never heard a single one of these

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stories how do you know these people

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aren't just making it up

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and then someone else stood up and said

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i'm one of his patients and i still

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now when we give these same talks it's

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very common to have doctors in the area

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stand up and tell about their near-death

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experiences

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so it is becoming more common having

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said that

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you all know that the powers that

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control the medical journals and

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certainly the nih nsf

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this isn't their favorite topic so it's

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hard to get funding it's hard to get

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publications

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but there's becoming more and more of a

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grassroots effort and one of the things

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i like about teaching in

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medical school is that we're infecting

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the next generation of doctors

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so as uh max planck said science

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well unless there are some announcements

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i would personally like to thank